SUSTAIN

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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Ken Byng » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:23 pm

Well, John you are entitled to your opinions. I don't agree with much that you say on here, but mostly I keep my mouth shut and say nowt. I will maintain that stance from now on.
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Tony Smart » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:38 pm

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We hand tightened as much as possible. When I do any repair work I check all screws and snug them as much as possible. Never experimented with any other method.


Well, that's put the cat amongst the pigeons.
If you're tightening screws up on a new guitar there's bound to be a bit of give in the wood in time. However, he says he tightens them up on repairs so they would then stay tight.

There appears to be no definite consensus on this so it's seems it's a case of do you own thing. I'm happy to take Jacks' line myself.

Ken, I wonder if Mike Johnson has any take on this?
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Ken Byng » Mon Aug 10, 2015 8:44 pm

Tony
He probably does have a view but he is such a busy guy that I am reluctant to bother him. I do have another friend who maintains Mike's p/p guitars for him, and that is Clem Schmitz. Clem is a genius, particularly on push pulls, and I will drop him a line. :D
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby bob adams » Tue Aug 11, 2015 12:20 am

Bet your smiling at this Mr Park! You've sure kicked off 'the classic'.

By the nature of any forum, views will always differ, do let them drive us forward rather than a wedge between us! I know, have much respect and am very fond of you guys so let your passions map the future, the new blood depend on you! Don't let them down!

Back to topic!

Forgive me 'all' but I think the quest here may be for something completely different. (I should also say at this point Matt and I have had numerous dealings in recent years, He's sound and has one sharp ear, seriously musically accomplished!) .... So I have a hunch that Sustain per say is perhaps not his pursuit here....Please jump back in Mr 'Park'

Sustain is the elongation of a note, yes it can be done by means of volume control or the pedal on a piano etc. Hit a sound even a dead sound and you can keep that sound going be electronic means.

I don't actually believe that is what is being sought here. I think what we steel players crave is not 'Sustain' but ............ 'The Halo' ........... Something altogether different.

Pick up an old tuning fork, (I still have one in my case, if all else fails that will always work) Ping it..the note will be clear, ring beautifully and fade with precision! No sustain! Just natural decay!

Pick up a fine crystal glass and ping that! it will also ring and ring and ring! This is what we crave. Some PSGs whether by manufacture, design or accident have..... 'That Halo' or 'Crystal Ring' ....

My advice!!... when you get your hands on one! ......... don't part with it!

Wanted!!!!!...... One good hearted ...P/P
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby David Hartley » Tue Aug 11, 2015 8:55 am

I always knew John needed to go to specsavers.
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Barry » Tue Aug 11, 2015 1:26 pm

Go John.
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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Ken Byng » Tue Aug 11, 2015 9:31 pm

Tony
My thread has been hijacked by people who have absolutely nothing of interest to contribute. I have had a response to an email from Clem Schmitz, and I have in turn sent it to you by email for your personal perusal.

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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby henry » Tue Aug 11, 2015 11:08 pm

I have found this thread interesting from start to finish. I have a bolt on Emmons 68 PP, which sounds great but I struggle to keep in tune, and now I know this is perhaps to be expected from the guitar.

I don't understand the falling out. I have found both Ken and John's contributions to the site invaluable, even if in this case re. scale length John (as he has conceded) was in the wrong.

Ken, I would be interested to see Clem's response, if you are happy to post it here.

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Re: SUSTAIN

Postby Ken Byng » Wed Aug 12, 2015 12:53 pm

PLEASE CLOSE THIS THREAD. IT HAS RUN ITS COURSE AND IS OF NO FURTHER VALUE TO ANYONE.

MANY THANKS.
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