Lower E's on the Right!!!

[Will C]

I follow the logic of "you can't raise and lower the E's at the same time". Although, actually, you can, but why would you? You'd end up with no net change. But this obscures another truth, irrespective of the 10 string/12 string thing: having E's raise and lower on the same knee makes it impossible to go from the 2nd note of the scale to the third smoothly. No matter how slick you are, there's always a "dead point" between raise and lower - a step in what would otherwise be a smooth movement from one note to the other.

So if you want to make that move, it pays to have raise and lower on separate knees. But it all depends on what you want to play I guess. We can adopt a standard setup, or do something different. So long as we have a reason for our setup, who cares what we do? For instance, after thinking a lot, and talking to a lot of people, I have just made the following changes to my setup:

1. Removed my "raise 7 & 1" change

2. Lower 6 instead, and raise 1 by two semitones, and 2 by one semitone, on the same KL movement.

3. Separated E's raise and lower.

Time will tell. But thinking about what we do is part of what we become. I don't believe any good player just happened. There's a lot of analysis in it.

Will

[mick hearn]

I started life on a pedal steel with a Sho-Bud Maverick and it came with one lever which lowered one E. This movement was RKR. That's the way I got used to and that's the way it will stay I guess. I altered it so that it lowered both E's and then fitted a second lever RKL which raised both E's. As it was a push pull system I used the same pull rods going through each lever with a stop on the E raise and tuned underneath with a couple of parts from an old Denley. I made two further levers for the left knee which raised the first string in one direction and lowered the second the other way. I did try another steel which had the E's raise and lower o

I wonder how many people laugh when you say Maverick. Underneath it is basically mechano and wire but it works. It was the easiest pedal and lever movement ever. Just touch the pedals and it raised - in comparison with a ZB where I had to stand up to get enough pressure on the pedals to move. Oops - someone now gonna shoot me down in flames..

[Tony Russell Davis]

No bullets from me, but it would be the setup (or lack thereof) that made the ZB difficult, not the actual brand of guitar.

[henry]

apparently some of the B6/E9 uni guys have their Es tuned to Eb and have a single lever to raise it to F with a half stop for the E.
Only one lever, smooth transitions, but bit of care required holding the lever half way for long periods.

food for thought..!

[Gretschnut]

Just to add to the debate, I started again after a break of many years on my newly aquired Sho-bud LDG, but with the Day set up. I initially found this a nightmare when it came to forgetting the standard set up but, after some good advice from JD, and some inspiration from Slimbo, stuck with the CBA arrangement with LKL lowering from E to D, and LKR raising to F. I now find that the seventh move with B pedal and LKL lowering to D, plus the A pedal and RKL to F = particularly in transitions up the neck to the next chord positions, again with thanks to JD and also Gerry Hogan - are natural moves that require very little thought leaving me plenty of time to figure out what the hell to do with the other two levers.

[David Hartley]

Exactly as Jason Lynch said....but..... It hasn't really got any cons..

Having tried both ways at an early age, I discovered, very quickly that E's lowered is obviously the most commonly used lever, so...... By sticking it on RKL makes you really quickly learn good, smooth volume pedal control too.

Also, there are many times I will do a transition using strings 4 and/or 8 from a lowered to a raise, or visa-versa, you can't get it sounding that smooth with them on the same knee unless you leave no space between your knee and both levers as during the transition, the note, or notes will always have that stop where it isn't being operated.

Smooth transitions, slides, runs, runs with lever or pedal operations..... If you don't get it smooth, it just don't sound right.
This is exactly why Jason is invited here tomorrow to work on this. I hope you all see and hear the improvements in his slides in the coming weeks.

[David Hartley]

I meant to add the following.... For those who think by making the change to E lowered on RKL is going to take weeks to re-learn everything, let me tell you, it won't take many minutes at all. It's like driving in the USA, drive on the right for a while, and it soon comes naturally.

[henry]

David, I'd be interested to see your copedent if it's possible to post it?

Cheers,

Henry

[David Hartley]

TOUCH TO ENLARGE

[slimbo]

Hi Guy's and Gal's, I have a video of Buddy doing a seminar with Scotty, and the bit i would like to get up on the web is buddy talking about the E9 and the E's on the same knee, the trouble is it's on a DVD that you play on a home system.
Ineed to convert the file which is UDF to WMF but I'm at a loss how to do it, tried to down load a file converter but It's a no go, so info would be apreciated.