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How long before we get this???

Postby JohnDavisStringsHere » Mon Aug 29, 2011 6:57 pm

This is interesting ........from bobby`s newspaper link :(

Federal agents swooped in on Gibson Guitar Wednesday, raiding factories and offices in Memphis and Nashville, seizing several pallets of wood, electronic files and guitars. The Feds are keeping mum, but in a statement yesterday Gibson's chairman and CEO, Henry Juszkiewicz, defended his company's manufacturing policies, accusing the Justice Department of bullying the company. "The wood the government seized Wednesday is from a Forest Stewardship Council certified supplier," he said, suggesting the Feds are using the aggressive enforcement of overly broad laws to make the company cry uncle.

It isn't the first time that agents of the Fish and Wildlife Service have come knocking at the storied maker of such iconic instruments as the Les Paul electric guitar, the J-160E acoustic-electric John Lennon played, and essential jazz-boxes such as Charlie Christian's ES-150. In 2009 the Feds seized several guitars and pallets of wood from a Gibson factory, and both sides have been wrangling over the goods in a case with the delightful name "United States of America v. Ebony Wood in Various Forms."

The question in the first raid seemed to be whether Gibson had been buying illegally harvested hardwoods from protected forests, such as the Madagascar ebony that makes for such lovely fretboards. And if Gibson did knowingly import illegally harvested ebony from Madagascar, that wouldn't be a negligible offense. Peter Lowry, ebony and rosewood expert at the Missouri Botanical Garden, calls the Madagascar wood trade the "equivalent of Africa's blood diamonds." But with the new raid, the government seems to be questioning whether some wood sourced from India met every regulatory jot and tittle.

It isn't just Gibson that is sweating. Musicians who play vintage guitars and other instruments made of environmentally protected materials are worried the authorities may be coming for them next.

If you are the lucky owner of a 1920s Martin guitar, it may well be made, in part, of Brazilian rosewood. Cross an international border with an instrument made of that now-restricted wood, and you better have correct and complete documentation proving the age of the instrument. Otherwise, you could lose it to a zealous customs agent—not to mention face fines and prosecution.

John Thomas, a law professor at Quinnipiac University and a blues and ragtime guitarist, says "there's a lot of anxiety, and it's well justified." Once upon a time, he would have taken one of his vintage guitars on his travels. Now, "I don't go out of the country with a wooden guitar."

The tangled intersection of international laws is enforced through a thicket of paperwork. Recent revisions to 1900's Lacey Act require that anyone crossing the U.S. border declare every bit of flora or fauna being brought into the country. One is under "strict liability" to fill out the paperwork—and without any mistakes.

It's not enough to know that the body of your old guitar is made of spruce and maple: What's the bridge made of? If it's ebony, do you have the paperwork to show when and where that wood was harvested and when and where it was made into a bridge? Is the nut holding the strings at the guitar's headstock bone, or could it be ivory? "Even if you have no knowledge—despite Herculean efforts to obtain it—that some piece of your guitar, no matter how small, was obtained illegally, you lose your guitar forever," Prof. Thomas has written. "Oh, and you'll be fined $250 for that false (or missing) information in your Lacey Act Import Declaration."

Consider the recent experience of Pascal Vieillard, whose Atlanta-area company, A-440 Pianos, imported several antique Bösendorfers. Mr. Vieillard asked officials at the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species how to fill out the correct paperwork—which simply encouraged them to alert U.S. Customs to give his shipment added scrutiny.

There was never any question that the instruments were old enough to have grandfathered ivory keys. But Mr. Vieillard didn't have his paperwork straight when two-dozen federal agents came calling.

Facing criminal charges that might have put him in prison for years, Mr. Vieillard pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count of violating the Lacey Act, and was handed a $17,500 fine and three years probation.

Given the risks, why don't musicians just settle for the safety of carbon fiber? Some do—when concert pianist Jeffrey Sharkey moved to England two decades ago, he had Steinway replace the ivories on his piano with plastic.

Still, musicians cling to the old materials. Last year, Dick Boak, director of artist relations for C.F. Martin & Co., complained to Mother Nature News about the difficulty of getting elite guitarists to switch to instruments made from sustainable materials. "Surprisingly, musicians, who represent some of the most savvy, ecologically minded people around, are resistant to anything about changing the tone of their guitars," he said.

You could mark that up to hypocrisy—artsy do-gooders only too eager to tell others what kind of light bulbs they have to buy won't make sacrifices when it comes to their own passions. Then again, maybe it isn't hypocrisy to recognize that art makes claims significant enough to compete with environmentalists' agendas.
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby Zebedee » Mon Aug 29, 2011 7:10 pm

I'm gonna gig with my Denley in future, it's made from crumpled-up newspaper and isopon :D
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby Malcolm » Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:35 am

Not a problem for me, mine's carbon fibre.
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby Zumbilly(Murdoch) » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:15 pm

I sold a nice 335 a few years ago.
I hope the buyer has forgotten where I live :)
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby ZBSD-10 » Thu Sep 01, 2011 8:00 am

Shite ! and my Franlin's body is made of mahogany, christ knows where that came from here in Corfu, knowing
my luck I'd heading straight for the slammer ! As for the ZB, I'll blame Bob Adams ! :lol: :lol:
All the best
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby Arcada » Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:29 am

This morning's BBC News article on the subject: Are Gibson guitars killing the rainforest?
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby James Crowbear » Thu Oct 13, 2011 9:09 am

the Lacey Act scare is not as bad as we thought, here's a quote from the US Fish & Wildlife Service:
"To be clear: individual consumers and musicians are not the focus of any U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service law enforcement investigations pertaining to the Lacey Act, and have no need for concern about confiscation of their instruments by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service."
Heres a link to a useful doc listing all the materials to watch for in new instruments:
http://www.fws.gov/international/DMA_DSA/CITES/pdf/muscinstrmn.pdf
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby ZBSD-10 » Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:45 am

Cheers James ! Phewwwww !!! :lol:
All the best
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby Ken Byng » Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:40 am

ZBSD-10 wrote:..........Frank. Corfu (not for much longer though !) ......... :D :D


Are you coming back home then Frank? :D
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Re: How long before we get this???

Postby ZBSD-10 » Fri Oct 14, 2011 7:26 am

Hallo Ken from a lovely,sunny day here in Corfu ! 8-)
Yes, we are returning to the UK next march, there are two deciding factors here, firstly it is so expensive to live
here now, vat 23% on everything ,fuel tax bringing a litre of diesel up to around 1.54 Euros , a new property tax
being introduced at on average 1200 euros per property (thank christ we rent !) and a host of other things. The
Greek government are screwing the man on the street instead of the fat cats with most of the money that just keep
playing the system, do you know, a man working for the water company retires at 45 and goes onto a pension
in the region of 2000 Euros a month, no country can sustain that and thats just the tip of the iceberg !!! :( :(
Secondly ,and more important, our daughter has just had an op on her lower spine which made us realise we are
too far away from our kids and grandchildren ,we have one grandson we ain't even seen yet and he's seven
months old !! :)
Also on a selfish note, I'll be able to play country music again, hopefully starting with the reformation of Hank
Hillman and the Hole in the Wall Gang back in Wales, here's hoping ! :D :guitar:
We're flying back tonight (Friday) to start the ball rolling for our return next March.
All the best, Frank. Corfu ..Oh, the Queen Victoria is in port, we can see her from our patio. 8-)
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