Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Deluxe 2

Building, restoration, repairs, set-up, tweaking....in here!

Re: Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Delu

Postby Mcneilwaeasteel » Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:57 am

Jim I’m either right or wrong again!
The two levers on the right near the changers are the raise and lowers for the E’s and the left lever going right I assumed was for the D# to E lower, I don’t know whether the set up is day or night but think the only thing needed is one pull rod?
See what you think your self and I’ll confirm or deny it when the drug’s wear off!
No longer slummin, I’ve got a Mullen and a damn good amp as well,
they’ll be well played, if not played well, seat time alone must tell!
Mcneilwaeasteel
Seasoned Member
Seasoned Member
 
Posts: 493
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:04 pm
Real Name: Robert Mac Neilage

Re: Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Delu

Postby JayVeeGee » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:11 pm

Mcneilwaeasteel wrote:Jim I’m either right or wrong again!


Robert ~~~ that's the story of my life! (Can't say which one comes out on top!)

The RKL lowers the "E's" and the RKR raises them.
I noticed something unusual in a couple of the photos -- the raising finger for string 10 faces away from the lowering finger for the same string. I've reproduced part of one of the photos with the 2 "L" shaped fingers outlined - the raise finger in RED and the lowering finger in BLUE.
I know you have a Springfield pedal steel -- are these fingers configured in the same way on yours?
I'm guessing that Jim Kerr did that on the 10th string just because there was space to do it there? (Couldn't do that with any of the other 9 strings.)
Here's the photo >>>
Attachments
Springfield.jpg
JayVeeGee
Member
Member
 
Posts: 62
Joined: Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:07 pm
Real Name: Jim Gorrie

Re: Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Delu

Postby Mcneilwaeasteel » Mon Jun 14, 2021 3:22 pm

Jim
Judging by my photo that seems to be the normal way it was done, if you look at your photo it shows the right levers operating the third from the bottom and fourth from the top, which means the levers on the right are for raising and lowering the E strings with the right leg.
This guitar has been set up in an unusual way and as I said earlier it’s neither Day or Night, Emmons has the levers on the left leg, so it’s an Emmons set up in reverse! ( or ar#e about face )
At least this conversation has kept my mind of things and I really don’t care who’s right or wrong! :P
Cheers Robert
P.S. this photo shows the changer mechanism and the Keyboard bag I mentioned earlier, it’s a lot lighter than the “Wardrobe”
Attachments
15A35A39-1AEB-43BA-88B6-598A2C3A81F6.jpeg
No longer slummin, I’ve got a Mullen and a damn good amp as well,
they’ll be well played, if not played well, seat time alone must tell!
Mcneilwaeasteel
Seasoned Member
Seasoned Member
 
Posts: 493
Joined: Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:04 pm
Real Name: Robert Mac Neilage

Re: Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Delu

Postby JayVeeGee » Mon Jun 14, 2021 4:51 pm

Richard, maybe I should first apologise for this post as I don't want to cause any confusion about pedal and knee lever set-ups, but since the question of "standard set-ups" has been raised I'd like to state the following:

(This relates to the E9 tuning) First, there is no "absolute standard" set-up. There are basically two 'fairly standard' floor pedal set-ups ~ the 2 already mentioned in previous posts above, (the Emmons and Day) but when it comes to knee levers there can be almost endless configurations, and none of them are 'right' and none of them are 'wrong'!
With knee levers it's mainly down to personal choice, or in the case of someone just starting out on pedal steel, it may just be a case of getting used to what's on the particular guitar that is bought initially.
Just to illustrate, here are the copedents of Buddy Emmons and Lloyd Green. Although their floor pedals do the same, their knee lever choice is quite different.
Buddy.jpg

Lloyd.jpg

JayVeeGee
Member
Member
 
Posts: 62
Joined: Sun Dec 13, 2020 8:07 pm
Real Name: Jim Gorrie

Re: Restoration Advice Sought, Springfield Lazydeck Pro Delu

Postby RMcKerron » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:08 pm

Many, many thanks everybody!

Apologies for not getting back here sooner, work exploded and this kept getting bumped down the list. Over the month, though, several people have had a look in passing and it's made a few of them as green-eyed as the finish on it!

I've just briefly replied to John and Dave's PMs (thank you both!) and shall update you all on where I've got to.

Also, Robert, thank you for the cleanup advice, rod advice and case advice, very useful and shall be following that!

I must say, I've not been this out my depth with an instrument in a long time, and it's a lovely feeling learning about it all! The panic! Anyway...

I was lucky enough to bump into Jim Widdop of The Telephones at the studio I work at this weekend last, and he's a fabulous player. He brought his along to compare and such and we came to the following conclusions, which are an amalgamation of Jayveegee and Robert's comments.

Jim suggested it was based on a 'Lloyd Green' model? But agrees its an Emmons E9 tuning.

With the pedals and Knee levers, compared to his unit it was 'backwards' in that the left knee levers and right knee levers are the other way around on his one. When he was playing a majority of the work was using his knee that is above the pedals, and rarely the other. He did also add, like others have said, that these things were customised all sorts or ways, so to keep the rods all as they are and crack on, see where i get.

I was blown away by how 'simple' the maths of the chord patterns are with just a couple of adjustments to get to all sorts of possibilities, though! Amazing instrument!

We did create a full grid of the pedals and levers, and I'll post that up on here soon (left it at home!). The best news was that the single crank that is missing a pull rod appears to only be used to pull one crank on his also, so I don't think I'm missing one, just a rod. Yay!

More to follow! Going to unstring, clean up, restring and see how far I get with the pull rod repair. Summer holidays coming up so optimistic to get on that soon!

And thank you all for the support and advice! Onwards!

Richard
RMcKerron
New Member
New Member
 
Posts: 5
Joined: Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:41 pm
Real Name: Richard McKerron

Previous

Return to Steel Guitar Technical

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 3 guests