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UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby SWALLOW » Tue Feb 07, 2012 7:58 pm

The photos show the LS2 Lap Steel. The wood selected for this LS2 is Sedrela (Spanish Cedar) for the neck and body, made up of a two piece ¼ sawn through neck plus body wings. The cap is Flame Maple, a rosewood fingerboard with MOP makers. The body and neck has cream bandings. (The LS2 can be made from Mahogany if preferred.)
Pick ups are Mississipps Queen (humbucker size P90) by Bare Knuckle
Sperzel locking machineheads, a TonePro Tune-o-matic bridge, with a Goto aluminium tailpiece. The pots used are CTS premium audio taper with a orange drop capacitor. The 3 way toggle switch and ¼” jack socket are by Switchcraft. The finish is clear Polyester.
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby telboy » Wed Feb 08, 2012 10:32 pm

very nice, just outta interest, whats the price?
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby Basil Henriques » Thu Feb 09, 2012 1:26 am

Beautiful looking guitars, made with obvious attention to detail and expert luthiery, but, two questions, why 2 pick-ups (when al the major manufactures, Gibson. Rickenbacher, Epiphone, Supro, National, Fender et al. for the past 80 years have used just one, and that close to the bridge) and why an adjustable bridge ? :?:
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby SWALLOW » Thu Feb 09, 2012 4:40 pm

The Lap Steels I make are not designed to sound the same as the Lap Steels you named. There is no right or wrong place for a pickup to be or if a guitar should have one or two pickups. This will depend on what sound you need, adding a neck pickup gives the guitar new darker sound that most Lap steels do not have, also two pickups give you increased tone options. Having said that my Lap Steels are not designed to give a Hawaiian type sound. (but they can!) These guitars are more of a cross over between a standard electric guitar being play bottle neck and a Hawaiian steel guitar (a hybrid if you like). If you’re a bottle neck player playing a Gibson Les Paul but want to play a Lap Steel and keep all the sounds of your Gibson then a Hawaiian steels is not for you. This is how this type of Lap Steel comes in to its own. The design is a Les Paul put into a Weissenborn shape. All the parts use to build these Lap Steels are top of range Les Paul parts including the tone woods giving all the classic sounds of a vintage Les Paul but in the shape of an Weissenborn. So that’s the reason for using two pickups a tune-o-Matic bridge etc. I should all say most of these guitars are played in rock or blues bands or a mix of both. I’m not the only custom builder to use this design, go on You Tube type in Ben Harper, Bill Asher or Gary Myrick this will give you what sound this type of guitar design for. (Unfortunately they are not playing Lap Steels made by me.) I hand build all the guitars from start to finish. The only thing I do not do is the paintwork.
Prices start at £1500 the model shown is a LS2 P90 custom. Price £1650. :guitar:
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby Basil Henriques » Thu Feb 09, 2012 5:53 pm

SWALLOW wrote:The Lap Steels I make are not designed to sound the same as the Lap Steels you named. There is no right or wrong place for a pickup to be or if a guitar should have one or two pickups. This will depend on what sound you need,
I would have thought that a lap steel should sound like the normally accepted "Lap Steel" otherwise why call it that ? The norm for a lap steel, is not an over-driven sound but more so a clean sound. Manufacturers go to great lengths to make amplifiers with enough headroom to reproduce steel guitars faithfully. So this guitar you make really is a specialists instrument that would belong in the world of bottleneck, blues, slide or rock.. Is it ?

In a similar way, I can't imagine an acoustic guitar being described as anything OTHER than an acoustic guitar, BUT a 12 string would have the qualifier attached to its nominative and likewise Nylon, or Tenor et al. To follow accepted nomenclature conventions your guitar "could" be called an Electric, slide/blues lap guitar, as for your choice of pickup placements, it show complete disregard for the players ability to obtain those tones you describe, by picking technique.


That still doesn't address the reason for the compensated bridge, do you mean it's NOT there for practical purposes, just aesthetically ?

I am NOT decrying you obvious passion and expertise in construction, it's just critique of your convention of naming, and also the complete lack of necessity for a compensated bridge on an instrument where the strings of varied thickness are NOT pushed onto a fretboard and require individual intonational adjustment.
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby James Crowbear » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:07 pm

Move over Rover & let Jimmy take over !
heck, that was 40 years ago !
we're all stuck in our time warps aren't we ?
Jazz Hot from the 30s
Big Bands from the 40s
Rock & Roll from the 50s
Pop & R&B from the 60s
Bleedin' hell Guv, gettin' old ?
there's no future in it

that's a (real purty) lap steel to me !
don't give a hoot 'bout an adjustable bridge either
as long as it sings
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Postby Basil Henriques » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:10 pm

Dearest brother James, Not for one moment did I say it WASN'T 'Purty" I just pointed out a couple of things that irked me about the design and description. But then again what would I know about Pick-up design anyway..?
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Just a little about my involvement with pickup design:- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Birch_%28luthier%29 :ugeek:
Roy Orbison, Brian May, Tony Iommi, Dave Hill (Slade), Gerry Shephard(Glitter Band), all are/were using the pickups that were originally designed for Steel Guitar. By John Birch and myself.
Tony Iomi's guitar in the Times Square Hard Rock Cafe, Roy Orbison ' "Eagle" and many an Iconic guitar from the rock era was fitted with Superflux or Hyperflux pickups designed and pioneered by John and myself.

Tony Iommi of Black Sabbath came to Birch's shop after having his ideas rejected by the major guitar manufacturers of the time, such as Gibson and Fender. Iommi was looking for someone to make him a guitar with a 24 fret fingerboard and high power/low noise pickups. Iommi's red Gibson SG Special received some modification in the form of a re-covered Gibson P-90 in the bridge position and John Birch's own Superflux in the neck position. This guitar is in the Times Square Hard Rock Cafe. In 1975, Birch built Iommi his black 24-fret, cross inlay SG Special. This was the main guitar used on the albums Technical Ecstasy, Never Say Die, Heaven and Hell, and Mob Rules. This guitar is now in the Miami Hard Rock Cafe. Around the same time Birch's SG was built, John Diggins also built Iommi's Jaydee SG, which features a custom wound pickup by Diggins in the bridge position and a standard Biflux in the neck position. The guitar also has peeled and cracked paint due to a rushed finish job. During the Cross Purposes tour, the guitar was left in a hot car on a date in Brazil, and the finish bubbled and cracked due to the heat. This guitar was first used for some overdubbing on Heaven and Hell, but quickly became Iommi's main guitar. The Birch shop also built a guitar for Tony that featured the ability to remove and replace pickups. The pickups plugged through the back into slots which had quick connectors that allowed them to be pulled and replaced easily, and didn't require any soldering. This allowed for more tonal options than any standard guitar, no matter how complex its wiring. Geezer Butler also had some basses made by Birch, one of which can be seen in the music video for Black Sabbath's "A Hard Road."

Another of Birch's famous customers was Brian May of Queen. Brian wanted a copy of his Red Special to use as a backup guitar, so he asked John to make him what would come to be referred to as the "Yellow Special." This is the guitar that was used on several videos from the album News of the World and the video for "We Will Rock You." May never liked the Yellow Special's sound or feel. The construction of the Birch guitar and his original Red Special are very different. May's Red Special is constructed of mahogany and oak with a frictionless roller bridge, whereas the Birch guitar used all maple construction with an ebony fingerboard, as well as a non-roller bridge which meant tuning was unstable. At a Chicago gig in the early eighties, he broke some strings on the Red Special. After using the Birch guitar for a few minutes, he tossed it offstage out of frustration, but no one was there to catch it. The guitar was smashed to pieces. Fortunately, all the pieces were saved, and the remains can be seen at Brian May's site (link at bottom). Until a few years ago, John Birch still offered a copy of the guitar featuring Dimarzio's Brian May pickups, but the model has been discontinued.

Roy Orbison also ordered a guitar from Birch. In 1975, Orbison's guitarist, Allen Panter was having problems with his Les Paul. Orbison was also having difficulty with his Ovation, and needed it to be repaired. Orbison was satisfied with the work done, and decided to have a custom guitar built. Orbison, Birch, and Birch employee John Diggins all had discussions on what Roy would like to have built. The Eagle guitar was born, and it can be seen at Jaydee's website (link at bottom) while the actual guitar hung on the wall at Birmingham Hard Rock Cafe until its closure in 2006.

Dave Hill of Slade has used John Birch guitars since the mid seventies. Among the many modified Gibsons and John Birch originals Hill used throughout the 1970s and 1980s were a J1 style maple guitar featuring Hyperflux pickups and, of course, the famous Super Yob guitar, which is styled after a Sci-Fi ray gun. Hill has said he didn't really like using the Super Yob due to its neck heavy nature, its poor sound, and terribly high action. Hill then had a copy built for him by Framus. Recently, the new John Birch company released a 50 guitar run of the new version that features LED lights in the neck inlays.

The Glitter Band's glitter covered star shaped guitar was built, according to Gerry Shephard, by John Birch in mid-1975 for the release of Gary Glitter's "Love in the Sun. He also repaired Shephard's old gold colored star guitar, which had been damaged at a show by some overzealous fans. The cost of the new guitar was £400. The guitar received more damage over the years, but was fully repaired in 1996 by Ray Cooper. The guitar was used mostly by Gerry Shephard, and retired with him in 2002. He build a reversed Stratocaster model with two JB pickups and hollow fret caveties for Ritchie Blackmore.

Birch also built the Rook guitar for Rook Music, which can be seen, along with Framus's copy of the Super Yob, in Tony Bacon's The Ultimate Guitar Book. The Rook guitar was designed to emulate a rook chesspiece, complete with a simulated brick texture made of cork and a front gate made of fretwire.

The last guitar that John Birch himself worked on was a replica of the Birch bass used by Jim Lea of Slade, owned by Stu Rutter.

Colin Gibb, from ‘Black Lace’ who had been a great lover of ‘custom’ guitars, and a great admirer of John Birch guitars (having borrowed one for the ‘Superman’ video) commissioned the company to build an 8-String bass, in 2001. The instrument was based on what Fender ‘may’ have produced, if they ever made an 8-String, in the 60’s, Having a ‘Hockey stick’ headstock (similar to the Fender electric 12 string), and chrome control plate (as on the bass V1) but being mainly designed around the Fender Precision Bass.

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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby Basil Henriques » Thu Feb 09, 2012 7:29 pm

AND, I think that for a £1,500 guitar to have a mass produced aftermarket bridge just because it's readily available, is not good business acumen. A guitar costing that much SHOULD have a purpose built customised bridge.

AND for the pickups on this particular guitar to be in their "Optimum Position" the bridge one would need to be almost a 1/4' nearer the bridge and the 'neck' one spaced the correct distance from it, taking into consideration the scale length..IMHO..It's the polepiece positions that are wrong, a Twin coil "Humbucker' would have the polepieces NOT in the centre but of-set in ONE of the two coils..
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby SWALLOW » Fri Feb 10, 2012 3:39 pm

As I said before the LS2 P90 is a Les Paul built as a Lap Steel so as a Les Paul has a compensating bridge so dose my Lap steel, so yes you can say it is aesthetically used for looks but the practical reason I use it its sounds great. It is also one of parts that gives the guitar its sound. If it did not have this type of bridge it would not be a Les Paul Lap steel. The TonePro birdge is the best Tune-O-Matic bridge you can buy. I’ll say NO more about the bridge!

Mississipps Queen pickups sound great. Hand wound and made in the UK. Have a look at Bare Knuckle pickups, so many great guitar players are fitting Bare Knuckles.

Picking technique. You pick any ware to get the tone you want, see the Ben Harper link below he picks all over the place and he good I mean rely rely good if not the best modern Rock Lap Steel picker around.


http://www.asherguitars.com/index.php?p ... -lap-steel

http://www.asherguitars.com/index.php?p ... rper-model

https://bareknucklepickups.co.uk/main/

I do feel the matter of pickups and bridge I fit to my Lap Steels is now very boring to other members, I will make know more replies to member how so does not like or understand what my Lap Steels are going to be use for. :guitar:
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Re: UK MADE LAP STEEL GUITARS FOR SALE

Postby bob adams » Fri Feb 10, 2012 7:09 pm

I can assure you Swallow other members are not bored, I have been away from home for a few days and received two phone calls regarding this post already! There is no question that the craftsmanship on your instrument is to say the least outstanding and as for the finer technicalities, can I suggest this is healthy debate rather than definitive especially where sound is concerned as numbers of the players on here have put a shelf load of different pickups on guitars to achieve their perceived sound of choice and still not been happy! As for playability right wrong or indifferent everybody has their own style as with regular guitarists everybody develops their own thing regardless of what the industry may dictate. Granted not lap but unique in its own way I watched this guy in Covent Garden a time back, to say his technique and sound was ‘absolutely awesome’ would be the understatement of the year!
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